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General Discussion => N and Z Scales => Topic started by: SkipGear on January 30, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
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The Ferromex and Iowa Interstate Gevo's arrived at the shop today. I didn't get a chance to bring one home for photo's yet. I will try to remember tomorrow night. They look very nice at first glance.
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Headed into the shop today. Hope to have time to get 511 on the layout at the shop.
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Both look gareat!! I got my Iowa Interstate and ran it on the layout after installing a TCS decoder. Loco quiets down a bit after running ofr awhile. It is smooth as silk at crawl and took 15 cars up a 2% grade with light slippage but it still made it up w/o any help. Not bad at all.
Matt, these are excellent loco's!!!
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wow I thought the UP release was suppose to be first?? I'm still waiting
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wow I thought the UP release was suppose to be first?? I'm still waiting
I thought it was BNSF in December, Ferromex and Iowa Interstate in January and UP in February. The releases appear to be on schedule.
Erik
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Here they are, I need a better camera.....
(http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1263/IAIS_Ferromex_1.jpg) (http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/123315)
(http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1263/IAIS_Ferromex_2.jpg) (http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/123317)
(http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1263/IAIS_Ferromex_3.jpg) (http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/123319)
(http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1263/IAIS_Ferromex_4.jpg) (http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/123321)
(http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/1263/Ferromex_Cab.jpg) (http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showphoto.php/photo/123313)
The BNSF trucks looked a little flat but these look very good. Printing on these loco's is outstanding.
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Any pics with the factory-supplied grabirons installed?
Ed
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Sorry, no grabs. These have to go back in the display case at the shop in the morning. Too modern for my needs, but definitely could tempt me.
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I personally do not plan on installing them as that level of detail is not that important to me. But I salute anybody that does install them!
I'm in for the Rock Island Heritage unit when FVM does it.
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I personally do not plan on installing them as that level of detail is not that important to me. But I salute anybody that does install them!
I'm in for the Rock Island Heritage unit when FVM does it.
I may have to break my KCS only GEVO buying rule for that one as well HINT HINT!
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Don;t worry about Hinting Philip. It's gonna get done.
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This is remarkable. Another manufacturer that releases multiple roadnames on locos! 8)
Imagine this concept applied to a decent SD40-2!
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I made the comment in the Springfield thread about how nice the printing is. I looked at the FeroMex model and it really does look good even without the grabs attached. Won't be able to display one with grabs attached since the model I want isn't on the delivery schedule for awhile.
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I wasn't interested in GEVO's until the idea of a Rock Island heritage unit came up, so I don't know if this has been reported before, but do the grab irons come prepainted in the appropriate colors?
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My Iowa Interstate unit did come with the grabs painted black.
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I wasn't interested in GEVO's until the idea of a Rock Island heritage unit came up, so I don't know if this has been reported before, but do the grab irons come prepainted in the appropriate colors?
Yes, the BNSF versions had the appropriate yellow, orange, or black coloring.
Brian
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I wasn't interested in GEVO's until the idea of a Rock Island heritage unit came up, so I don't know if this has been reported before, but do the grab irons come prepainted in the appropriate colors?
Yes, the BNSF versions had the appropriate yellow, orange, or black coloring.
Brian
Sunshades also match the cab, and the windshield wipers are unpainted stainless steel.
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I will say that FVM's Gevo's have the smoothest walking creep I've seen in a loco. I also wish all loco's had the DCC install difficulty that these have, 0.0!!
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My Iowa Interstate 511 has now run on the shop layout for about 24 hours total. We did dd a drop of lube and it has quited down quite a bit. Running quality is rock steady! Even some HO modellers are dropping their jaws. Kato may be hard pressed to match up.
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All grabs, windshield wipers and cab shades are pre-painted in the locos colors. I have 3 BNSF units and love them. Now waiting on 2 UP and 2 BNSF swoosh units. I will install the cab shades and the windshied wipers but most likely i will not install the grabs, my hands are just not that steady anymore. Btw the plug in dcc should be the norm in N scale.
Dave
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All grabs, windshield wipers and cab shades are pre-painted in the locos colors. I have 3 BNSF units and love them. Now waiting on 2 UP and 2 BNSF swoosh units. I will install the cab shades and the windshied wipers but most likely i will not install the grabs, my hands are just not that steady anymore. Btw the plug in dcc should be the norm in N scale.
Dave
I don't think the grabs should be any harder. If you can drill for the shades/wipers, it's not any different to drill for the grabs. Just take your time and use a light touch.
The FVM Gevos come with dimples to mark where the holes should be drilled. These are a huge improvement over cast-on grabirons which have to be shaved off and touched up with paint. I gently press a sharply pointed awl into the dimple, to make a dent that helps keep the drill bit from wandering off the mark.
When drilling with the pin vise, I try to brace my hands and the model as best I can, so steadiness is not too much of an issue. I also recommend good lighting and magnification. Still, a #80 bit is only 0.0135" diameter, so it's normal to break one from time to time. If you've never done this before, it's a good idea to practice a bit on a scrap shell.
HTH,
Ed
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I got my Ferromex unit from Chuck the other day, finally got around to really taking a look at it last night. And this would perhaps be a bit of an overstatement, but I've got to say that I really think that this unit may be about the single most revolutionary (perhaps evolutionary might be better) locomotive model we've seen in N-Scale in a very long time.
The separate grabs and the dimples -- absolute genius. After seeing this unit no one should every put molded grabs onto a locomotive ever again. The lack of grossly-oversized molded grabs makes all the other details appear so much finer and you truly don't even notice that they're not there. Mal-proportioned grabs are so much more obvious than missing ones. I'm not saying that every manufacturer should put the dimples (though I don't see why not) and don't expect seperately painted and bent grabs included (but it's welcome); but, without a doubt, there's no excuse for putting those grabs there any longer, it makes the unit simply look a million times better, whether you want to apply the grabs or not. I think FVM has proved that quite well.
The fact that you can install a decoder without even removing the locomotive shell. All you've got to do is pop off the top of the flared radiator (super easy) and you have access to the decoder plug (albeit a bit tight with the rear LED in the way) Have we ever seen that in any locomotive in N-scale? Certainly not that I've seen. Is that even prevalent in HO scale for that matter? Now that is "plug-n-play". It was literally easier and quicker to install a decoder in this unit than it is to change the AA batteries in a remote control.
The painting and printing is absolutely perfect. Not "really good with caveats." Opacity is spot on. The printing carries over the panels perfectly. The warning labels everywhere are amazing and really, along with the lack of oversized grabs, really make this unit transcend a lot of the N-scale barriers in regards to suspension of disbelief. This is the first N-scale locomotive that I have ever wanted to run straight out of the box and felt good that I would not regret it one second. The fact that there's all these separate details is just gravy.
I often get discouraged with what is, in my opinion, a much greater difficulty of making N-scale models appear as realistic as larger scale ones (no offense to the work of anyone here). Or even the fact that something as simple as working ditchlights can be a total PIA to do in N-scale or even decoder installations that are never truly plug-n-play and can require a lot of time just simply getting a unit apart (and if the unit is detailed/weathered it absolutely sucks). I get so turned off when I think about how much time I have to put into a single locomotive or car to make it look as good as I want (and have a fair % chance of screwing it up), I know I'll never be able to achieve the final results I want to achieve on a larger layout-sized scale and I don't do anything for months and months at least. But when you are presented with a starting point like this FVM loco though, it's a whole new ball-game. This really is very refreshing.
Maybe it's just me. And, it's quite likely that, like I said, I'm overstating it. But if more companies adopt FVM's strategy (and since they're virtually all using the same supplier, I don't see why not) I feel better about modeling in this scale than I have in a long time.
The only thing I'm not liking right now is that they did an EVO instead of an ACe. I would buy a fleet of the things if they were EMDs, but instead we got Kato's version which was extremely underwhelming before, particularly in regards to the things that FVM did so superbly (Kato's ACe just looks wrong due to oversized details and the paint/printing is only okay). All I can do is hold out hope that FVM does well enough against Kato's EVOs that they decide to take them on with an ACe too. But FVM's desire to stay rather close to the prototype might scare them off as the ACes have more than a fair bit of variation.
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Whewww!!!! I'll have what he's having!!! ;D
I'll have to wait to have my GEVO orgasm until the KCS units arrive. The ones I've seen are awfully nice, though not as smooth as anything from Kato - though a lot better than Atlas. I definitely agree on the grabs and the DCC plug - though I don't use DCC. BTW - a lot of Euro models have a similar plug system.
What I'd like to know is how on earth Matt gets such a masterpiece out of the same factory (really???) that produces the recent crappy Atlas C40-8W's???? Indeed, these GEVO's make me more nervous than ever about Atlas, who don't seem to be able to do anything on time or with the quality we used to expect from them.
But seriously, I'd put these in my list of acceptable locos - along with Kato six axles and most Atlas 4 axles.... What Matt needs to do next is NOT a SD70ACE - Kato's are fine - he needs to do SD40-2's before Intermountain goes and ruins this market segment for the next 10 years.
Lou
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Not to dish Kato but I gotta disagree Lou, the FVM are as smooth and even smoother at low speed than Kato's. Don't think you'll have to worry about an FVM SD70ACE.
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I'll have to wait to have my GEVO orgasm until the KCS units arrive. The ones I've seen are awfully nice, though not as smooth as anything from Kato - though a lot better than Atlas. I definitely agree on the grabs and the DCC plug - though I don't use DCC. BTW - a lot of Euro models have a similar plug system.
It's not just the DCC plug, it's the fact that the plug is fully-accessible even with the shell still on the thing. With the complete pain that newer locomotives often have with getting the shells off (and this FVM is no different), the ability to toss in a decoder in literally less than 60 seconds is pretty damned impressive and MUCH needed.
As far as the smoothness goes, I'll have to disagree on that one. My unit has not been broken in at all and straight out of the box it ran so smooth that on step 1 (of 128) it crawled along at a barely perceptible speed with no jerk at all. It is, without a doubt, the slowest and smoothest locomotive I've got by a very wide margin and I own just about everything post-1970 (era) from Kato and Atlas. Now if only I could get my MP15s, which need to run that well, to run that well.
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But seriously, I'd put these in my list of acceptable locos - along with Kato six axles and most Atlas 4 axles.... What Matt needs to do next is NOT a SD70ACE - Kato's are fine - he needs to do SD40-2's before Intermountain goes and ruins this market segment for the next 10 years.
Lou
RIGHT ON! - I Hope that Matt reads this and that he is already ahead of us. SD-40-2's - hundreds of schemes, lots of variations = lots, lots, of sales....
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But FVM's desire to stay rather close to the prototype might scare them off as the ACes have more than a fair bit of variation.
Its a nice unit but the Ferromex and IAS units are foobs. It missing the extra vent for the dynamic brakes among other thing. So FVM desire is to make as closed to proto as long as you model early UP, BNSF and CP GEVOS.
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But FVM's desire to stay rather close to the prototype might scare them off as the ACes have more than a fair bit of variation.
Its a nice unit but the Ferromex and IAS units are foobs. It missing the extra vent for the dynamic brakes among other thing. So FVM desire is to make as closed to proto as long as you model early UP, BNSF and CP GEVOS.
The definition of FOOB is Failure out of the Box. I hardly find that to be the case with these models. Bang on 100% prototype? No, but I give them a lot more credit than calling them a FOOB because that is just not the case. They exceed many peoples expectations in many ways, especially when you consider this is a new manufacturer to the locomotive market. If you are willing to call this model a failure than I have to assume that you have little or no power/rolling stock on your layout because 99% of everything being produced has some sort of flaw when compared to the actual prototype. Perfection is just about not possible when you are trying to appeal to the masses and that is true across the board with every single N Scale manufacturer out there.
Sometimes close enough is just fine for everyone. Most people are willing to forgive something as small as a vent if the paint scheme looks like the pictures they see. I don't know what road you model or if it even has GEVO's (probably not) but am just curious as to why you feel like you need to crap all over everyone's good time? People are happy with their purchases, why can't you just let it be?
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But seriously, I'd put these in my list of acceptable locos - along with Kato six axles and most Atlas 4 axles.... What Matt needs to do next is NOT a SD70ACE - Kato's are fine - he needs to do SD40-2's before Intermountain goes and ruins this market segment for the next 10 years.
Lou
RIGHT ON! - I Hope that Matt reads this and that he is already ahead of us. SD-40-2's - hundreds of schemes, lots of variations = lots, lots, of sales....
Amen to that brothers - I'm ready to pre-order at least 6 paint schemes (and multiples of) right now - and damn the economy ;D
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Its a nice unit but the Ferromex and IAS units are foobs. It missing the extra vent for the dynamic brakes among other thing. So FVM desire is to make as closed to proto as long as you model early UP, BNSF and CP GEVOS
You can call it what you want, but it won;t affect the rest of the truth. These loco's run extremely well right out of the box. Have the easiest DCC conversion in the hobby, the printing is extremely well done and the overall detail is excellent. FVM hasa winner right out of the gate. Even if it isn;t 100& accurate to your liking, neither will the competition's. Nor will the loose use of the term affect sales at all.
The Iowa Interstate fans arer a pretty fanatical bunch with their own very active yahoo group and fan website. The N scalers there are very happy with their units.
I hope your Kato's are every bit as well received.
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Here's hoping!
(http://i47.tinypic.com/110ztdf.jpg)
Mark 8)
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But FVM's desire to stay rather close to the prototype might scare them off as the ACes have more than a fair bit of variation.
Its a nice unit but the Ferromex and IAS units are foobs. It missing the extra vent for the dynamic brakes among other thing. So FVM desire is to make as closed to proto as long as you model early UP, BNSF and CP GEVOS.
The definition of FOOB is Failure out of the Box. I hardly find that to be the case with these models. Bang on 100% prototype? No, but I give them a lot more credit than calling them a FOOB because that is just not the case. They exceed many peoples expectations in many ways, especially when you consider this is a new manufacturer to the locomotive market. If you are willing to call this model a failure than I have to assume that you have little or no power/rolling stock on your layout because 99% of everything being produced has some sort of flaw when compared to the actual prototype. Perfection is just about not possible when you are trying to appeal to the masses and that is true across the board with every single N Scale manufacturer out there.
Sometimes close enough is just fine for everyone. Most people are willing to forgive something as small as a vent if the paint scheme looks like the pictures they see. I don't know what road you model or if it even has GEVO's (probably not) but am just curious as to why you feel like you need to crap all over everyone's good time? People are happy with their purchases, why can't you just let it be?
I did not call it a failure, foobs as in foobie, I said they were not correct for those two roads. If it was Kato, MT, IM and MTH in HO some people would be up in arms and nitpik every single detail.
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I think this just illustrates the difficulties in doing a model that's still in production.
FXEs first order of ES44ACs is very different from their second order... and they were only 9 months apart.
First order:
(http://www.locophotos.com/~locophot/pix/92/Ferrocarril%20Mexicano%20FXE%204608_Tulsa%20OK_Erik%20Edmonds_2008-07-29_92916.jpg)
(http://www.locophotos.com/~locophot/pix/50/Ferrocarril%20Mexicano%20FXE%204643_Denver%20CO_DAVE%20SCHAAF_2007-02-02_50374.jpg)
Second order:
(http://www.locophotos.com/~locophot/pix/79/Ferrocarril%20Mexicano%20FXE%204668_Bellevue%20OH_Mike%20Rujak_2007-09-04_79547.jpg)
(http://www.locophotos.com/~locophot/pix/98/Ferrocarril%20Mexicano%20FXE%204698_East%20Chicago%20IN_Ryan%20Kertis_2008-12-12_98550.jpg)
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this is kind of like the GP40-2s and their phases ..
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They're worse... GE took Every Model Different and Six Sigma'd it.
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Does anyone know -- aren't FVM's UP GEVOs supposed to be due this month?
Thanks,
Ed
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Does anyone know -- aren't FVM's UP GEVOs supposed to be due this month?
Thanks,
Ed
Yup! End of the month maybe? I have three on order, But I could use about 15. ;D
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I bought the BNSF & IAIS and they both shipped the last week of the month they were due.
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I bought all three FXE and they are very impressive. I ran them on the tehachaCHI sub. With his brutal grades and weighted cars, they performed very well. I can't seem to post pics though. Maybe a tunnel motor next? Hmmmm?
dave t
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I bought all three FXE and they are very impressive. I ran them on the tehachaCHI sub. With his brutal grades and weighted cars, they performed very well. I can't seem to post pics though. Maybe a tunnel motor next? Hmmmm?
dave t
Seems like a natural to me. N Scale deserves a better tunnel motor.
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I bought all three FXE and they are very impressive. I ran them on the tehachaCHI sub. With his brutal grades and weighted cars, they performed very well. I can't seem to post pics though. Maybe a tunnel motor next? Hmmmm?
dave t
If I remember correctly, N scale already got a tunnel motor. I think an AS616 should be next.
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I bought all three FXE and they are very impressive. I ran them on the tehachaCHI sub. With his brutal grades and weighted cars, they performed very well. I can't seem to post pics though. Maybe a tunnel motor next? Hmmmm?
dave t
Seems like a natural to me. N Scale deserves a better tunnel motor.
Where can we sign up for this????
Tivo - get those candles out again!
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N Scale railroading MAR/APR issue says they are going to do the IAIS unit in case anybody doesnt know!
dave t
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I forgot to mention I bought them from Feather River Trains and had awesome customer service! Thanks Mr. Chuck!
dave t.
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I bought all three FXE and they are very impressive. I ran them on the tehachaCHI sub. With his brutal grades and weighted cars, they performed very well. I can't seem to post pics though. Maybe a tunnel motor next? Hmmmm?
dave t
Seems like a natural to me. N Scale deserves a better tunnel motor.
Amen ;)
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Another tunnel motor, not gonna happen. Now quit stalling and roll out the AS616!!!!! ;D
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I forgot to mention I bought them from Feather River Trains and had awesome customer service! Thanks Mr. Chuck!
dave t.
Mr. Chuck is on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mr-Chuck/105085092143) now.
;D
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The UP gevos should be shipping in about 10 days. I sent a email to Matt asking for the demo unit of the gevo, nice paint scheme.
Dave
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Another tunnel motor, not gonna happen.
Don't be so sure of that.
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Another tunnel motor, not gonna happen.
Don't be so sure of that.
Why do yo say that? You got my attention now......
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Oh Chuck, what are you saying? Tunnel motors from FVM, hmm!!!!! SP, UP, oh my!!!!
Dave
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Oh Chuck, what are you saying? Tunnel motors from FVM, hmm!!!!! SP, UP, oh my!!!!
Dave
He knows something we don't know. Don't forget the DMIR and DRGW ones.
If FVM did SD40-2s, wouldn't that simplify doing the tunnel motors?
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Could be the -2 project somebody is talking about. But whoever it is would be crazy to do the TM before the regular 40-2 line.
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Espceially crazy since I would think the -2 to TM bash would be WAY easier then the reverse.
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I've been contemplating purchasing a few Kato sd40-2s and painting them Union Pacific. Main thing holding me back is painting the handrails. I have a lot of experience with airbrushing Floquil enamels and zero experience with the Modelflex paints needed for handrails. Anyway, if this holds true about FVM doing a SD40-2 I'll need to rethink the whole idea.
Looking foward to recieving my two UP Gevos.
Daryl
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Tunnel motors have a longer frame than an SD40-2, so it's a whole different game.
The two most common correctly un-modelled locomotives, however, are the BNSF H2 C44-9W and the NS C40-9W. Maybe FVM should do C44/C40's????
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I have a lot of experience with airbrushing Floquil enamels and zero experience with the Modelflex paints needed for handrails.
Daryl,
Airbrushing Modelflex is easy as pie. Set pressure to ~30 PSI and spray away. Done. I use ModelFlex about 90% of the time because you can shoot strait out of the bottle. The other 10% is Polyscale that you have to thin just a tad.
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You can even brush Modelflex once you get used to the "Modelflex effect" ;)
It beads up and beads up even with repeated brush strokes and will then suddenly spread out and lay down correctly on a seemingly random brush stroke.
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I have a lot of experience with airbrushing Floquil enamels and zero experience with the Modelflex paints needed for handrails.
Daryl,
Airbrushing Modelflex is easy as pie. Set pressure to ~30 PSI and spray away. Done. I use ModelFlex about 90% of the time because you can shoot strait out of the bottle. The other 10% is Polyscale that you have to thin just a tad.
Unfortunately, my compressor does not have a pressure gauge. I just use whatever air comes out.
Daryl
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I have a lot of experience with airbrushing Floquil enamels and zero experience with the Modelflex paints needed for handrails.
Daryl,
Airbrushing Modelflex is easy as pie. Set pressure to ~30 PSI and spray away. Done. I use ModelFlex about 90% of the time because you can shoot strait out of the bottle. The other 10% is Polyscale that you have to thin just a tad.
Unfortunately, my compressor does not have a pressure gauge. I just use whatever air comes out.
Daryl
If your going to spray acrylics, spend the $5. 8)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90590 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90590)
I'd spray closer to 20-22psi.
And if you use acrylics, there's an additive you can use for handrails.
Jason
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Unfortunately, my compressor does not have a pressure gauge. I just use whatever air comes out.
Daryl
Same here. I've never had any issues using ModelFlex or any others. It's all about keeping the brush moving, and light multiple coats.
Sometimes, I think we make parts of this hobby too complex. ;)
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Honestly, I hate Modelflex - except for certain touch up brushing applications. Half the jars I ever bought were jelly (freezing in transit to LHS). With the exception of their oxide red or boxcar red, none of them gave a 100% consistent finish. Very, very dependent upon the model or primer finish. Look at it wrong and it's a mass of drips. Look at it another way and it comes out sputtering.
If you're new to Modelflex, you should practice on several test cases with the colors you intend to use!
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Honestly, I hate Modelflex - except for certain touch up brushing applications. Half the jars I ever bought were jelly (freezing in transit to LHS). With the exception of their oxide red or boxcar red, none of them gave a 100% consistent finish. Very, very dependent upon the model or primer finish. Look at it wrong and it's a mass of drips. Look at it another way and it comes out sputtering.
If you're new to Modelflex, you should practice on several test cases with the colors you intend to use!
I wonder if this is a regional thing. I have yet to have a bad Modelflex bottle that has froze or jelled like others have posted photos of, and I keep mine stored in the layout room, which is unheated (well until I get the baseboard heaters installed next month). I consistently get very nice results from Modelflex when I airbrush with my Badger Universal. I more often have issues with Polyscale when I airbrush...but thats user error because most time I do not get the consistency right when I thin it.
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I've been contemplating purchasing a few Kato sd40-2s and painting them Union Pacific. Main thing holding me back is painting the handrails. I have a lot of experience with airbrushing Floquil enamels and zero experience with the Modelflex paints needed for handrails. Anyway, if this holds true about FVM doing a SD40-2 I'll need to rethink the whole idea.
Looking foward to recieving my two UP Gevos.
Daryl
Daryl,
I still have a few brand new UP SD40-2's that I haven't converted to Florida East Coast yet. These are the DB versions if your interested and have Digitrax Decoders installed.
Brian
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I've been contemplating purchasing a few Kato sd40-2s and painting them Union Pacific. Main thing holding me back is painting the handrails. I have a lot of experience with airbrushing Floquil enamels and zero experience with the Modelflex paints needed for handrails. Anyway, if this holds true about FVM doing a SD40-2 I'll need to rethink the whole idea.
Looking foward to recieving my two UP Gevos.
Daryl
Daryl,
I still have a few brand new UP SD40-2's that I haven't converted to Florida East Coast yet. These are the DB versions if your interested and have Digitrax Decoders installed.
Brian
Thanks so much for the offer Brian. I already have 4 of the Kato sd40-2 and was hoping any addition units would be the later versions and not the mid version. I think I'll wait a while and see if FVM comes through and if not, paint a couple of the later versions myself.
Daryl
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Ian - I wonder that too - but my experience was from several years ago - so maybe I should give the stuff another try.
I desperately wanted it to work, since I think it's safer and easier stuff to handle than Scalecoat II - but I always had runs when painting black and dark colors - and lots and lots of coverage problems with light colors. Since those days I learned a lot about priming and base coats though, so I ought to try the stuff again.
I only do painting in late spring/summer - since I do it outside on warm days, so this test will have to wait.
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Same experience as Ian had, good results with Modelflex and less favorable with PolyScale. Even when brushing. I like the thinness of the coating I get with Modelflex. Even when thinned for airbrushing I find PolyScale obscures details way more than Modelflex even had.
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Ian - I wonder that too - but my experience was from several years ago - so maybe I should give the stuff another try.
I desperately wanted it to work, since I think it's safer and easier stuff to handle than Scalecoat II - but I always had runs when painting black and dark colors - and lots and lots of coverage problems with light colors. Since those days I learned a lot about priming and base coats though, so I ought to try the stuff again.
I only do painting in late spring/summer - since I do it outside on warm days, so this test will have to wait.
There were issues with ModelFlex when it first came out years ago. But the formulas of the last five years or so I've never had a problem with. It applies evenly, dries quickly and doesn't obscure detail, and the behavior is consistent regardless of the pigment color. Accu-Paint used to be my paint of choice, but you had to vary the process based on the paint pigment. With the ModelFlex you don't.
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If someone does do an SD40-2, my hope is to see at least CNW or better yet WSOR being done!
John
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Anybody get their UP GEVO's yet? I'm already planning a couple renumbers with yellow sill stripes! ;D
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We got ours! I think we still have one.
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Still waiting on my KCS GEVO - but I know it will be here soon enough!
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Anybody get their UP GEVO's yet? I'm already planning a couple renumbers with yellow sill stripes! ;D
I ordered my 2 from wig wag. May have been a mistake as I see other venders listing them as in stock and wig wag not aknowledging in their news page that they have them yet. Maybe they're waiting until they get all the reserved orders shipped before the put their arrival on the news page. Oh well. What's a few few days as long as I get them.
What's the story with the yellow sill stripes? I was suprised to see the SD70ACe with yellow.
Daryl
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Anybody get their UP GEVO's yet? I'm already planning a couple renumbers with yellow sill stripes! ;D
I ordered my 2 from wig wag. May have been a mistake as I see other venders listing them as in stock and wig wag not aknowledging in their news page that they have them yet. Maybe they're waiting until they get all the reserved orders shipped before the put their arrival on the news page. Oh well. What's a few few days as long as I get them.
What's the story with the yellow sill stripes? I was suprised to see the SD70ACe with yellow.
Daryl
I think it's more silly FRA stuff...... Locomotives have to get either white or yellow reflective striping...(can't remember how much per foot) UP chose yellow. Who decided that Red Scotchlite reflective striping wasn't good enough? ::)
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Re: striping...
This was extensively tested by railroads - for years - before the final decision was made to go with yellow or white - as well as the specifications for the application of striping... Contrary to speculation it was not something forced on the industry, but rather a specification they jointly developed....
And unfortunately Kato got it wrong - since the striping is clearly a different color than Armour Yellow - on the Kato SD70ACE's you can't see a difference. Did FVM get it right? I bet they did...
Lou