TheRailwire
General Discussion => N and Z Scales => Topic started by: bbussey on March 31, 2010, 12:49:25 AM
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The first draft of the painting/printing test shots arrived yesterday. It appears there are some issues to address, which unfortunately will delay the cars another month. Here are some sneak peaks.
These are the three PC&F New Haven SoM cars. Different capy data along with different reporting marks. The Old Glory Red on the SoM schemes is too dark because it is painted over the blue. It looks similar to all the N scale SoM models that have been released to date, but it is noticeable when compared to the BAR repaint. Hopefully that can be addressed, along with some other points. I now see why this scheme has been such a nightmare in the past to produce.
(http://esmc.com/work/2253.jpg)
This is the first road number of the BAR repaint.
(http://esmc.com/work/225501.jpg)
This is the first road number of the NH repaint.
(http://esmc.com/work/225601.jpg)
The above are three of the four schemes being released in the first run. As an extra treat, following are two of the second run schemes partially assembled. The Magor 1950 SoM scheme for the BAR purists ...
(http://esmc.com/work/225100.jpg)
... and the patch job for the Conrail enthusiasts.
(http://esmc.com/work/225801.jpg)
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Awesome!
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Can not wait to add these to the fleet :o
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Oh, man, I need that CR re-paint... ;D
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I may have to order a couple of the PC paint-outs too - they will make fun transfer cars - heavily weathered, of course!
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This is the first road number of the NH repaint.
(http://esmc.com/work/225601.jpg)
JUICY, I'll take two.
The S.
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PC car = Smokin' Hot
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Awesome job Byran, can't wait!!
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So apparently by 1979 that CR car was whitelined... Although I model 1980, I'm not so hardcore as to pass up such a sexy model. It will find a home, lightly faded with an aibrush and with ACI labels, on the Juniata Division.
I'm also probably in for a BAR 1950 scheme for my 1956 PRR roster. These cars show up pretty frequently in photos of the Pennsy during the 50s, and would make a nice change of pace from my otherwise drab boxcar red fleet. Bryan, which of the NYNH&H schemes is appropriate for 1956, and would NH be more appropriate on Pennsy than BAR? Thanks!
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Temptation for a change! ;D
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Very nice Bryan! Once again another great job by ESM.
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PC car = Smokin' Hot
Absolutely. Gorgeous.
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So apparently by 1979 that CR car was whitelined... Although I model 1980, I'm not so hardcore as to pass up such a sexy model. It will find a home, lightly faded with an aibrush and with ACI labels, on the Juniata Division.
Dave, you've found a pic of this specific car whitelined? The pic I have of the car is when it was still in service, but I don't know the date. It's the only model so far that will be released without a roofwalk.
I'm still looking for additional pics of cars with CR reporting marks and/or graphics, so I can produce more than this one CR car. I have pics of XIH cars from the CR era with CR stenciling, but they appear to be cars from the predecessor roads (such as the NH block with a PC green door and CR consolidated stencils) so I will be releasing them under the predecessor item numbers.
I'm also probably in for a BAR 1950 scheme for my 1956 PRR roster. These cars show up pretty frequently in photos of the Pennsy during the 50s, and would make a nice change of pace from my otherwise drab boxcar red fleet. Bryan, which of the NYNH&H schemes is appropriate for 1956, and would NH be more appropriate on Pennsy than BAR? Thanks!
The SoMs traveled all over the place, and the BAR SoM blue-end schemes lasted into the 1980s. The PC&F BAR 1953 SoM scheme is the only car from the first release that I didn't picture, but that scheme is good for 1956 as well as the Magor BAR 1950 and the PC&F NH 1953 SoM schemes above. The two repaints are too late for you, as are any BAR SoM schemes with blue ends and/or billboard reporting marks (they are coming later). However, both the red BAR repaint and the SoM blue-end schemes would be appropriate for Conrail circa 1980, and many still retained their roofwalks even at that late date. Lots of rust though, definitely not pristine cars by then.
PC car = Smokin' Hot
That's actually the CR car. The PC car will be in the second release along with it. It looks similar but has a smaller herald, roofwalk, NYC-style capy data and some other notable differences as well. The CR car pictured above is missing only the brakewheel and platform, so what you see pretty much is what will be produced.
The second release will follow two or three months after the first release.
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Dave, you've found a pic of this specific car whitelined? The pic I have of the car is when it was still in service, but I don't know the date. It's the only model so far that will be released without a roofwalk.
Bryan,
It wasn't hard to find:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr350589akg.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr350589akg.jpg)
Can't help you with any other CR road numbers. Haven't seen any.
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Dave, you've found a pic of this specific car whitelined? The pic I have of the car is when it was still in service, but I don't know the date. It's the only model so far that will be released without a roofwalk.
Bryan,
It wasn't hard to find:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr350589akg.jpg (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cr/cr350589akg.jpg)
Can't help you with any other CR road numbers. Haven't seen any.
I wouldn't bet the farm on that last number being a nine.
Jason
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good chance it is a 3
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Well I guess it wouldn't be the first mistake on Fallen Flags. I don't see compelling evidence that it's NOT a 9 either, but I've had such a sh!tty day I'm not looking for an argument (Oh, oh, I'm sorry, but this is abuse! Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.) :D
The only way to tell would be to match the other lettering with the pic Bryan has, and hope it's of the same side.
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(http://whiteriverandnorthern.net/images/cr350589_or_3.jpg)
A little gamma tweak, and it sure looks like a 3 to me.
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I don't know, Dave, I don't see any evidence of curvature on the right hand side of that character (compared to the 3 at the beginning of the road number). In my untrained vision, your tweak makes it look more like a 9 to me.
Well, I guess I've found an argument after all! ;D
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Notice the darkish gap next to the arrow (this is an actual artifact, not photoshopped). This is the clue that it's a 3. It would not be there if it was a 9.
(http://whiteriverandnorthern.net/images/cr350589_or_3a.jpg)
Also notice how this dark line appears virtually identical in the first and last numbers.
(http://whiteriverandnorthern.net/images/cr350589_or_3.jpg)
Here's a 9 for comparison:
(http://whiteriverandnorthern.net/images/cr229285.jpg)
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If I drop the gamma almost through the floor, it starts to reveal a little more of the "3-ishness."
(http://whiteriverandnorthern.net/images/cr350589_or_3c.jpg)
'Scuse my obsession over this... I used to be a typesetter...
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I love the Railwire! :D
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Could be a 3. Now I'm not sure if the photo I have is whitelined or not. It's definitely not the photo in fallenflags though. I don't remember, as I did the artwork a long time ago.
Unfortunately I can't change it at this point, so it will be a 9 on the first release.
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If I drop the gamma almost through the floor, it starts to reveal a little more of the "3-ishness."
(http://whiteriverandnorthern.net/images/cr350589_or_3c.jpg)
Okay, you got me. I see a 3 there.
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Bryan,
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there were probably a few other cars in that series, and it just might be that one of them carries the number you used... I mean, it's what, six digits off? Now if it was the second or third number that was in question, where the number series would be off by 10s of thousands, you might have an issue... But I really think you're okay on this one.
Lee
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Not to rock the boat any more, but that 8 could be a 6...
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Not to rock the boat any more, but that 8 could be a 6...
I can agree with that! ;D
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Also possible. Fortunately still within the PC 350500-350592 number series.
The earliest ORER I have that includes CR is January 1979. As of then, PC 350517, 350564 and 350570 were still in revenue service. Another 19 cars from the series unidentified are listed as still in service. NH 45043, 45045, 45049 and 45080 also were in service, along with one other unidentified number, and most likely with their roofwalks intact.
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The fact that this wasn't a well-known, well-photographed "one-off" makes this road number issue pretty insignificant. As a member of a relatively obscure class with multiple road numbers, I think you're fine. Falling within the set of assigned road numbers for the class is good enough for me.
...Conrail had a lot of boxcars...!
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...Conrail had a lot of boxcars...!
And it was a real mess of a fleet too, so I don't worry too much either.
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Bryan,
I'm not seeing the PC/CR car advertised either on your site or at the various shops... Was there a special pre-order deal for this car of the same ilk as Lee and Ian's custom gons? If so, I missed it... Is it too late?
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He probably canceled it because the 3 looked like a 9... :P
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3? 9? Skibbe will bitch about it either way! ;D ;D :)
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Bryan,
I'm not seeing the PC/CR car advertised either on your site or at the various shops... Was there a special pre-order deal for this car of the same ilk as Lee and Ian's custom gons? If so, I missed it... Is it too late?
Dave,
Both the CR car and the Magor BAR car are in the second release, which will appear two or three months after the first release. They will be announced once the first release is on the water. Since TRW has a CR-heavy contingent and I had shown the mechanical drawing months ago, I figured an advance "sneak peak" of the CR paint sample would be a nice bone to throw out.
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Since TRW has a CR-heavy contingent and I had shown the mechanical drawing months ago, I figured an advance "sneak peak" of the CR paint sample would be a nice bone to throw out.
Not enough...on the water 1st run!
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Thanks for the clarification... Looks like multiple ChukPaks in my future.
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Bryan,
Are you going to do a Penn Central car?
-- Brian
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Thant CR paint-out looks awesome. I see one for my personal use in my future.
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Are you going to do a Penn Central car?
Second run.
(http://www.esmc.com/work/2257.jpg)
But we have to get through the first run before that happens. The R/W/B schemes are proving to be a challenge.
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PC car = Smokin' Hot
Absolutely. Gorgeous.
Yep. Always nice to see test shots of a project we helped with... 8)
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Bryan,
PERFECT, I will buy some from Chuck, thanks.
--Brian
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PC car = Smokin' Hot
Absolutely. Gorgeous.
Yep. Always nice to see test shots of a project we helped with... 8)
Woot