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Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« on: August 27, 2014, 09:04:55 PM »
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Southern Pacific Streamlined P-10 4-6-2
Here is the start of the N Scale Build
SP   P-10   2478-2491  Baldwin   (14)

The plan it to produce a fully streamlined and semi streamlined version.  Here the picture of the master N scale streamlined boiler which still has much work to go.  The plan is to use a Model Power Mechanism.


Jason Smith
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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 09:12:40 PM »
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Looks good Jason. Looks even better to see you creating again. Good luck to you, my friend. Oh yes, I do have a MP 4-6-2. Do I dare?

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 10:10:51 PM »
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Well, well, well.... look who's "back in town" with yet another prolific SP classic!  ;)

Look forward to following this one. Not to mention seeing you get "creative"... it is indeed therapeutic (in my humble opinion).
Mike
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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 11:41:49 PM »
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Welcome back Jason!
Nice to see you back in action my friend 8)
Best Otto K.

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2014, 01:41:50 AM »
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Good God, he's doing two at once.  Somebody stop him.

(kidding, actually I was wondering how long it would be before you were keeping multiple engine-building balls
in the air).

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2014, 02:46:56 AM »
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Once again Jason, you put a big smile on my face!  Welcome back.  You've been sorely missed! 


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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2014, 05:19:37 AM »
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Looking good Jason, watching with interest.

I'd really love #2472 (which I guess is a P-9) to go with my Daylight one day if you're inclined  :D

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=170448&nseq=106
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=338248&nseq=21
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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2014, 08:50:32 AM »
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#2472 is a Class P-8.  Class P-9 was a T&NO class.  #2479, which still exists, is a P-10, although not shrouded.  If the shrouded Pacifics ever operated on the San Francisco Peninsula, I have never seen a photograph of one there.  I have seen a large number of photographs taken by both DeMoros and if a shrouded P-10 had ever been on the Peninsula, one would think that one of the DeMoros would have caught it.   I have seen photographs of the shrouded Pacifics in Oakland, including a number taken by both DeMoros.  My understanding is that SP shrouded them for the San Joaquin trains.

Nice work on that shell and the Blue Goose shell, as well.  A shrouded SP pacific and a proper Blue Goose; both nicely done.

Now, how do you modify the MP Vanderbilt for the Pacifics?  The MP is based on something that was on smaller SP power.   Or do you simply make a new shell for the tender?

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2014, 09:15:35 AM »
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Ah, excellent question my friend. Answer-



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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2014, 10:32:29 AM »
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The skirted (shrouded) P-10's were used exclusively on the San Joaquin daylight originally, then later when the 4-8-2's started hauling the SJD, they could be seen on the point of the Sacramento Daylight.  The skirting and daylight paint didn't last very long and by the late 40's the engines had the skirting removed and were painted black.  They finished out their days in the commute pools around San Francisco.

Only 2484-2486 were ever painted in Daylight colors with skirting.  All three were equipped with the "Sports Cab" as shown on Jason's casting.   Engines 2478-2480 and 2490 never received the skyline casing atop the boiler.  The three skirted engines, 2484-2486 and 2480 received Sports Cabs, while the others maintained the standard square cab.

Of the three skirted engines, only 2485 trailed a 120-C-3 tender, the other two has 120-C-8's behind them which had a different shaped oil bunker.  Jason's casting set will accurately represent 2485 in its 1941-1946 configuration.  The SP did often play musical tenders behind their engines, so the 120-C-3 would be accurate behind various P-10's after the daylight skirting was removed.  A great book by Terry Johnson will be out this fall covering the entire P-10 class in detail.

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 10:57:14 AM »
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Good to see you back, Jason! And I assume this project will be completed by the weekend?  :D

Cheers,
-Mark

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2014, 11:32:01 AM »
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I was about to say word-for-word what Norway said. Well, maybe not word-for-word and maybe not as many words...okay maybe I was only going to say that the skirted P-10's were used exclusively on the San Joaquin daylight but that IS word-for-word what Norway said before he added all that other stuff...Thanks Norway for the info.

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2014, 02:57:25 PM »
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Too bad this is not a subject about building a non-streamlined Pacific... there is a need for a non-USRA light Pacific (or even a slim boilered Pacific) but without someone taking up the torch who has experience with doing such projects such may never happen.  This is, none the less, an interesting project and I am anxious to see how it turns out!!!

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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2014, 11:14:58 PM »
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Phillip, well said...

FWIW, one may want to try, I repeat try, to find a photo of the loco they're building to accurately model it.  ;)
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Re: Southern Pacific P-10 4-6-2 Build
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2014, 11:38:03 PM »
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Thanks for the answer on the tender.  Nicely done, as well.


  The skirting and daylight paint didn't last very long and by the late 40's the engines had the skirting removed and were painted black.  They finished out their days in the commute pools around San Francisco.


Phillip

I am aware that SP did remove the skirts, but the locomotives retained the skyline casing.  According to Harre DeMoro, the skyline casing helped to keep smoke from the cab.  Funny though, I have never seen a photograph of any of the shrouded Pacifics on the Peninsula.  As many photographs as the DeMoros took of SP power, I would think that they would have caught one of them on the Peninsula.  I have seen photographs of them in Oakland and the East Bay in various colors and states of steel dressing.  To be sure, the Pacifics were the workhorses of the SF Peninsula commuter trains until the diseasels displaced the 4-8-2s and 4-8-4s, so it would not surprise me to learn that even these shrouded things worked Peninsula commuter trains.  Funny, as well, I have seen more than one photograph of a 4-8-4 in full Daylight colors on the point of a Peninsula commuter train.  I  can not recall the dates of the photographs, but I would guess that they were taken either shortly after the diseasels showed up and the 4-8-4s were freshly assigned to commuter work or the particular 4-8-4s in the photograph were pressed into commuter service due to lack of availability of another more suitable locomotive.