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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 03:10:15 PM »
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I would definitely recommend putting the styrofoam on top before getting into track planning.  That way you can use push pins to hold lengths of flex track and turnouts in place.  I did that with my Housatonic RR.  I had the basic plan figured out and drawn up, but I placed actual flex track sections and adjusted them until it looked visually pleasing and operationally reliable.  It is easy to make changes and laying out the actual track brings siding capacities back to reality.  On paper, a spur or siding may look great, but on the benchwork it might look woefully small.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 03:11:42 PM »
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I think that's gonna be the plan then.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2010, 11:14:24 PM »
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Doing some more mocking up tonight:

Overview:


Down at ground level:


















This would be the combination of the bewery (the rear two tracks) and some other industry in the front.

I think I'd include another storage track there to support a number of different "shifts" in the area, possibly adding another job to the layout. The whole thing can swallow up around 20 cars. Not bad for about 2'x3'.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2010, 11:46:30 PM »
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That extra track sounds like a great place for a flexi-flow transfer facility.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2010, 12:05:21 AM »
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Except that he would then need a bunch of ACF 3500pd Flexi-Flo hoppers, which would be tough to acquire in quantity at this point.
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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2010, 12:08:36 AM »
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Not if you do one of those train to truck type that showed up all over PC.  One or two gons to unload to a truck.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2010, 12:15:46 AM »
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Except that he's modeling CR.  Did CR continue that PC practice?  I know that when I went to get reference photos of the cars 20 years ago in Saugerties NY, there was an entire fleet of 3500pd hoppers there in various paint schemes and the original NYC loading/unloading facilities were still active.
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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2010, 07:17:38 AM »
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Conrail adopted the name Flexi Flo to cover all of its trans-loading services.  The North Avenue terminal in Baltimore had a big sign declaring it a Flexi Flo facility.  This is quite a ways from the New York Central, and it served a variety of tank and covered hopper cars.  NS continues to use this facility, but I'm not sure what they call it.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2010, 09:43:29 AM »
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Yep. It's somewhat confusing, but that's the case.

Actually, the Flexi-flo terminal is going to be right around the corner. I was looking at my ZTS maps of Baltimore last night and realized that there are a good number of tracks labelled "lead" or "yard" (even when there isn't an actual yard), so an empty track or two are something I actually should include.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2010, 10:47:19 AM »
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I believe "Trailvan Service" also was a hand me down from the NYC.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2010, 12:23:23 PM »
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Rail-truck transfers of bulk products was big on CR. Yes they still called it Flexi-Flo. Successors are (NS) TBT - Thoroughbred Bulk Terminals and (CSX) Transflo.

Matlack operated a number of these terminals in the CR days.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2010, 12:24:32 AM »
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Lee's not the only one going to work.

I've been planning out the two "lobes" of the layout (I know, they need styrofoam... hopefully tomorrow).

The buildings themselves in the whole thing are going to change, these are all just stand ins.

I refined the National Brewing area a bit more. This area will be representative of the western side of the Canton area in Baltimore, where there was a brewery and a number of other warehouses.

Here we go:


There are three industries located here. The National Brewery in the back will have two tracks, one for the unloading of hoppers, and one for the loading of Natty Boh into RBLs (no need to reefers, it's not "cold brewed"...). 

I may end up going to 6 spots total though, depending on how it all fits together:


Also visible in the photo above is the stand in for the Dunder Mifflin warehouse on the left. You'll see 4 spots for CR clean lading boxcars (yellow doors), Canadian and southern paper boxcars.







In the center you can see the three track holding yard. The ops plan for this spot is that during the first trick, the "yard job" crew assigned to the location swaps out the cars in the storage tracks for the spotted cars. During the second trick (theoretically while crews are unloading the cars), a local comes by swaps out the cars in the storage tracks with fresh cars, while the local crew remains to move cars around if they need to be respotted.

Also at this location is a smaller industry, generally receiving only one or two tank cars a day.

Here's the local crew pulling clear past McDonnell Chemical Supply:





One last overview of the area, from the operators point of view.



Next up, the other lobe (representing the east side of Canton).

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2010, 06:33:57 AM »
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So how do the cars on the 3 tracks in the middle get unloaded/loaded?

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2010, 11:19:17 AM »
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They don't, it's a holding yard, much like SIT yards, storage in transit, at other locations on 1:1 railroads.

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Re: Ed's new big blue
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2010, 11:49:49 AM »
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They don't, it's a holding yard, much like SIT yards, storage in transit, at other locations on 1:1 railroads.

Exactly. Cars get placed there waiting to get spotted for unloading.