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General Discussion => HO and Larger Scales => Topic started by: tom mann on February 04, 2009, 01:29:38 PM
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http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2966
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HOly mackerel! Truly awesome. I could hope that they do it in N someday, too, but won't hold my breath.
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:o :o
Man... That's... sweeeet.
i know there's a lot more HO guys out there, but I find it hard to believe that there's many, if any, more HO guys that could actually use a kit of this size than there are N scale ones.
Hopefully we'll see it. I don't know if I could ever use it, but kits like that are ones that I'd like to build anyways just to have because they're so neat. Kinda like why I have to keep myself from buying Alkem's coaling tower though, as a modern-day modeler, I have absolutely no need for one at all.
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and the obligatory video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RJfnk2S330 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RJfnk2S330)
and the photo
http://www.mhsd.org/photogallery/images/clevelandhullette-amc.jpg (http://www.mhsd.org/photogallery/images/clevelandhullette-amc.jpg)
p.s. the little "pusher" unit that is between the 1st and 2nd string of cars from the right (with the man in the cab visible) is saved @ the Mad River museum in Bellevue, Ohio...
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Man, looking at that proto-photo, that kit is just screaming for someone to make a brass "hop-up" kit for it, much like how just about every scale plastic model released has numerous options for.
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I bought the documentary on the Hulett--it's an excellent video, with some remarkable footage. Would include a link, but that's at home; will add it later, unless someone else has the link.
I'd be tempted to get one of these kits, too, even in HO.
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Imagine...
put a motor on it here or there.... i bet you could get em up and operating in no time...
Pep-Gruber !!!
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Wow, that video is cool. Those things are pretty mechanically and labour intensive, easy to see why they elminated those once self-unloaders were standard. Really cool operation though.
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Wow, that video is cool. Those things are pretty mechanically and labour intensive, easy to see why they elminated those once self-unloaders were standard. Really cool operation though.
Compared to what they used to have to do before Huletts came along (shovels, wheelbarrows and lots of men), those big, ungainly machines were a godsend. To think they started operations near the turn of the century, and ran for generations, all very impressive and a testament to a genius designer.
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Hulett home page: http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/SpecColl/glihc/hulett/
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Can anyone recommend a book on steel operations that shows how all these buildings and structures fit together?
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Tom:
Check out this site:
http://www.bascotecniasteel.com/en/melt-shops.php?gclid=CN_hwMuixJgCFRQhnAodd2xN0w
I don't own this one but have seen some of the photos in it:
http://www.amazon.com/Eliza-Remembering-Pittsburgh-Steel-Mill/dp/0943231094
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Erie and PRR both had Hulett unloaders in Cleveland. Parts of 2 are still laying in a pile:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qxg53185pqr0&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=6716318&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
These (large) photo shows the Erie dock:
http://chris333.fileave.com/Cleveland%20aerial%202.jpg
http://chris333.fileave.com/Cleveland%20aerial%203.jpg
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There's a bunch of beautiful circa 1940 color transparencies on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=hulett%20unloaders&w=all&s=int&referer_searched=1
An interesting website: http://www.citizensvision.org/
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Ride along in one of them in action:
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A few years back Classic Trains did an article on Great Lakes ore and coal docks. Looks of good photos in that one. I have it around somewhere, when I find it i'll tell you which issue it is.
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Yet another website: http://daveayers.com/Modeling/Steel_Huletts.htm
This one has loads of links to good info, including model-building resources and commercial videos.
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How they do it in Ghent, Belgium
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/todengine/Ironman/GhentBelgiumZeldenrust.jpg
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=51.174706~3.800158&style=h&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12220219&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
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Wow, that video is cool. Those things are pretty mechanically and labour intensive, easy to see why they elminated those once self-unloaders were standard. Really cool operation though.
Compared to what they used to have to do before Huletts came along (shovels, wheelbarrows and lots of men), those big, ungainly machines were a godsend. To think they started operations near the turn of the century, and ran for generations, all very impressive and a testament to a genius designer.
Yes, indeed.
Amazing machines. I've seen pictures, but I've never seen anything like those in action.
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There supposedly are two standing in South Chicago. Does anyone know where?
...must...fight...urge...to...model...steel...operations...
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There supposedly are two standing in South Chicago. Does anyone know where?
Where did you hear that? I understood that they're all gone, and the two stored in pieces probably cannot be reassembled.
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There supposedly are two standing in South Chicago. Does anyone know where?
Where did you hear that? I understood that they're all gone, and the two stored in pieces probably cannot be reassembled.
http://daveayers.com/Modeling/Steel_Huletts.htm
The site might have dated info, but it said that they are there in 2002.
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Tom.
I know that Peach Creek Shops is not that far from you. They do have a lot of HO steel related materials and models available. I think the owner has an interest in them.
Bob
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There supposedly are two standing in South Chicago. Does anyone know where?
Where did you hear that? I understood that they're all gone, and the two stored in pieces probably cannot be reassembled.
http://daveayers.com/Modeling/Steel_Huletts.htm
The site might have dated info, but it said that they are there in 2002.
I'll be damned. Here they are:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=qyf4dr7q3ndp&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=11490988&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
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http://daveayers.com/Modeling/Steel_Huletts.htm
The site might have dated info, but it said that they are there in 2002.
ooh Canadian Pacific had two at their coal dock in Fort William... The urge to model them is suddenly much larger...
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Can anyone recommend a book on steel operations that shows how all these buildings and structures fit together?
I have found this yahoo group informative:
STEEL ยท A forum for all persons interested in the manufacturing of STEEL.
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/STEEL/
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In the Erie days the ore would be unloaded at the Erie Dock Co. in Cleveland and brought down to Warren & Youngstown. The mill would stock pile it. In other areas where the water was right next to the mill the unloaders may just dump into a conveyor.
This is the storage area at Warren:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw1s9r87yk7f&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=19983894&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
The blast furnace is right there as well:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw1vdn87yph9&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=19983894&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
To the right of the blast furnace is the coke ovens:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw0x8687ysrs&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=20006104&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
Left of the furnace the track lead off to the rolling mills and re-melt shop:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw238x87yrgs&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=19980351&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
That is where I shot this a while back:
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Across the bridge is the BOF:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw1th387z9mk&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=20005445&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
And to the left of that is the rolling mills:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw3b1v87z333&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=20000586&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
Slabs come out of the BOF and either go to the rolling mills or the slabs go out whole. When they are rolled the result is coiled steel. If you zoom in all around the mill you see coils or slabs all over. These are slabs:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qw2hhp87z9ng&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=20001068&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
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According to Boatnerd.com:
Demolition Begins on Cleveland's Huletts
01/31:
A court ruling last week cleared the way for the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority to begin the removal of four Hulett Ore Unloaders on Whiskey Island. On Sunday morning crews began dismantling the Huletts and had cut the bucket off of the eastern most unit.
Two of the Huletts will be dismantled and stored for future use at a proposed park along the Cuyahoga River. The site on Whiskey Island will then be used to handle bulk cargoes in the port.
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You know, looking at the prototype, I'm half tempted to buy one to display...
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When did they stop operations in the Warren area. I remember going to see the Berk at the musiem in Conneaut. Some guy said to go to the harbor and what did I find.
Working Huletts unloading a ship. Most impresive.
That was I think in 80's. I took some photos but late afternoon light was bad.
Always wanted to go back someday but never found time to.
Ron N.
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They still make steel in Warren, but the blast furnace has been shut down for a few months because of the economy. (same as just about all blast furnaces in the US right now)
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Wasn't there an article about someone scratchbuilding one? He really must be p*ssed about that development. I can here someone asking him:
"Is that the one from Walthers?" ::)
Harold
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One fellow (I don't know who--I'd have to ask Rick Spano, their current owner) scratchbuilt two in N scale. I sure hope Wathers releases an N scale version.
(http://scenicedandundecided.net/images/IMG_1849a.jpg)
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According to Boatnerd.com:
Demolition Begins on Cleveland's Huletts
01/31:
A court ruling last week cleared the way for the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority to begin the removal of four Hulett Ore Unloaders on Whiskey Island. On Sunday morning crews began dismantling the Huletts and had cut the bucket off of the eastern most unit.
Two of the Huletts will be dismantled and stored for future use at a proposed park along the Cuyahoga River. The site on Whiskey Island will then be used to handle bulk cargoes in the port.
I thought these were all gone now. Do they still have some or are they now all gone?
Dave
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There are still (or were) pieces of 2 on Whiskey Island, but they are not where they originally stood. You can see the parts here:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qxg53185pqr0&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=6716318&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
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Looks like you can get some nice rail photos there. Can you get on whiskey island at all, maybe the marina area.
D
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It has been a while, but I have driven over this silver bridge and pulled right up to the tracks near the black bridge. I believe it was called "bridge one" for Conrail.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qxgs4n85qqtm&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=6716331&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
http://secure.plaind.com/pdphotostore/images/pt_1040.jpeg
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According to Boatnerd.com:
Demolition Begins on Cleveland's Huletts
01/31:
A court ruling last week cleared the way for the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority to begin the removal of four Hulett Ore Unloaders on Whiskey Island. On Sunday morning crews began dismantling the Huletts and had cut the bucket off of the eastern most unit.
Two of the Huletts will be dismantled and stored for future use at a proposed park along the Cuyahoga River. The site on Whiskey Island will then be used to handle bulk cargoes in the port.
I thought these were all gone now. Do they still have some or are they now all gone?
Dave
They should be, or most of the way down. A group tried to save them as a historical item, but the cour gave permission to be torn down. I' m not from the area so I don't know if they have started taking them down or not.
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One fellow (I don't know who--I'd have to ask Rick Spano, their current owner) scratchbuilt two in N scale. I sure hope Wathers releases an N scale version.
[img]http://scenicedandundecided.net/images/IMG_1849a.jpg
I think a the ones you're talking about were built by a longtime friend of mine. He's an incredible modeler and focuses on steel industry modeling.
Follow the link for a pic of his huletts in N scale.
http://www.peachcreekshops.com/gallery/steel_mill_modelers_meet_2005/images/Gary%20Lance's%20layout%20-%205.JPG
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Those things are beautiful. Do they operate?
I can only imagine that George Lucas grew up near one of these installations...
Lee