the Western Maryland Flavor-Aid

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Maybe allow yourself time to make a decision and let it stick before you go winging it out into the clouds, or present a layout in photos in a more complete state than we have seen so far because, at this point, you're the boy who cried wolf. But don't feel bad, I think I'm chicken little.

part of the fun of the hobby for me includes researching and developing plans - why aren't you telling Bernie to build one of the layouts in his book - seriously - he researched and planned out those layouts and hasn't built one - what a l0z3r.   :

Because he hasn't asked folks to go help him build benchwork for them... When you announce you're working on a project, and people go out of their way to help you (either physically and in person, or by posting useful information) and then you simply abandon it, you shouldn't be surprised when people take issue with each new project announcement.

So either don't beg for people's work, or actually use that work, but I'm pretty sure you can't have it both ways.

[wm3798]

I'm the hag in the candy house that eats children.

[David K. Smith]

Maybe allow yourself time to make a decision and let it stick before you go winging it out into the clouds, or present a layout in photos in a more complete state than we have seen so far because, at this point, you're the boy who cried wolf. But don't feel bad, I think I'm chicken little.

part of the fun of the hobby for me includes researching and developing plans - why aren't you telling Bernie to build one of the layouts in his book - seriously - he researched and planned out those layouts and hasn't built one - what a l0z3r.   :

Because he hasn't asked folks to go help him build benchwork for them... When you announce you're working on a project, and people go out of their way to help you (either physically and in person, or by posting useful information) and then you simply abandon it, you shouldn't be surprised when people take issue with each new project announcement.

So either don't beg for people's work, or actually use that work, but I'm pretty sure you can't have it both ways.

I don't think it's as bad as that, really. How many of us here have gone through with a project from beginning to end without making any changes? I admit it's been a bit frustrating at times, but I decided to stick with it, and keep throwing plans against the wall until one of them stuck, and it seems that's happened. And the benchwork people have helped him with is getting used, even if it's a little modified. I think if we hang in there, something good will come of it.


























And if not, I've got a chainsaw and a twitchy throttle finger...

[sirenwerks]

I'm the hag in the candy house that eats children.

I was thinking more Pied Piper, given your inspirational pace of work. You make even me want to start something. Insane, given my transitory nature right now, but you're almost got me there.

[sizemore]

I'm the hag in the candy house that eats children.

I was thinking more Pied Piper, given your inspirational pace of work. You make even me want to start something. Insane, given my transitory nature right now, but you're almost got me there.

And speaking of Lee's pace of work...where the heck are the pictures?!?!

The S.

[wm3798]

Sorry, kids... been pretty swamped with work lately.  Haven't even been to the attic in about 2 weeks.

But don't worry... I'm feeling the urge...

Lee

[asciibaron]

Because he hasn't asked folks to go help him build benchwork for them... When you announce you're working on a project, and people go out of their way to help you (either physically and in person, or by posting useful information) and then you simply abandon it, you shouldn't be surprised when people take issue with each new project announcement.

get off your horse Ed - i've thanked those who've helped with time, effort, and information.  what exactly have i abandoned?  i have the benchwork that Brian and Lee helped me with - i didn't NEED help with that, i could have used dimensional lumber, but it was about more than just building some benchwork - learning, sharing, eating - you know, being social.  Mr. Smith has been an invaluable resource, the exchange of ideas has helped others i'm sure.  not every plan is a home run, and sometimes, you don't see that until you have the benchwork up and the plywood cut.  i was talking with Eric this afternoon and my quest to build a layout has been an evolution in thinking - moving from HO scale required a new approach - it easily allows for more action in the same space of HO, but it's best tempered.  the balance of operations to running to scenic elements is difficult to "see" when switching scales.  i know what an 18" or 24" radius looks like in HO, i don't know what that is in N scale - i don't have 25 years of N scale experience.

so forgive me if i've aired my "growing" pains as i've come to terms with what is and is not possible in N scale.  i didn't mean to offend your sensibilities.  i'll try to enjoy my hobby on your terms in the future.

[GaryHinshaw]

Maybe allow yourself time to make a decision and let it stick before you go winging it out into the clouds, or present a layout in photos in a more complete state than we have seen so far because, at this point, you're the boy who cried wolf. But don't feel bad, I think I'm chicken little.

part of the fun of the hobby for me includes researching and developing plans - why aren't you telling Bernie to build one of the layouts in his book - seriously - he researched and planned out those layouts and hasn't built one - what a l0z3r.   :

Because he hasn't asked folks to go help him build benchwork for them... When you announce you're working on a project, and people go out of their way to help you (either physically and in person, or by posting useful information) and then you simply abandon it, you shouldn't be surprised when people take issue with each new project announcement.

So either don't beg for people's work, or actually use that work, but I'm pretty sure you can't have it both ways.

I don't think it's as bad as that, really. How many of us here have gone through with a project from beginning to end without making any changes? I admit it's been a bit frustrating at times, but I decided to stick with it, and keep throwing plans against the wall until one of them stuck, and it seems that's happened. And the benchwork people have helped him with is getting used, even if it's a little modified. I think if we hang in there, something good will come of it.











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And if not, I've got a chainsaw and a twitchy throttle finger...

[Mr. G]

No 6-axle diesels on the WP.

That's not a good thing.

It's one of the beauties of the Western Pacific, actually. N scale WP modelers are only two locos away from a perfect roster (still need U30Bs and Alco S units, but they're likely to come sooner rather than later). Rolling stock's a challenge, but that gives practice in the modeling aspect of MRRing. And there's nothing like a lash-up of silver and orange Geeps and Fs running through the magnificent desert, river canyon, and rolling hillside, golden grass scenery that lay west of SLC. There was six-axle power before the yellow takeover if you must spoil the image, but all foreign road - UP SD40s in pool service from the east and BN, GN & NP SD45s and SP&S C636s from the north.

Well, an almost perfect roster.  You'd need to bash some high nose GP20s, but more frustrating would be building decent SW1500s.

[sirenwerks]

No 6-axle diesels on the WP.

That's not a good thing.

It's one of the beauties of the Western Pacific, actually. N scale WP modelers are only two locos away from a perfect roster (still need U30Bs and Alco S units, but they're likely to come sooner rather than later). Rolling stock's a challenge, but that gives practice in the modeling aspect of MRRing. And there's nothing like a lash-up of silver and orange Geeps and Fs running through the magnificent desert, river canyon, and rolling hillside, golden grass scenery that lay west of SLC. There was six-axle power before the yellow takeover if you must spoil the image, but all foreign road - UP SD40s in pool service from the east and BN, GN & NP SD45s and SP&S C636s from the north.

Well, an almost perfect roster.  You'd need to bash some high nose GP20s, but more frustrating would be building decent SW1500s.

Daniel made an N scale SW1500 kitbash look relatively easy in his article. Luckily, they're too late for me. For the Geep 20s, wouldn't switching out a high hood from a GP18 be the solution, or was there a difference between the two short hoods? That was my plan at least. I wanted a couple GP20s in GN paint too, long hood forward, of course. I keep hoping for those U30Bs and S units though...

[Mr. G]

No 6-axle diesels on the WP.

That's not a good thing.

It's one of the beauties of the Western Pacific, actually. N scale WP modelers are only two locos away from a perfect roster (still need U30Bs and Alco S units, but they're likely to come sooner rather than later). Rolling stock's a challenge, but that gives practice in the modeling aspect of MRRing. And there's nothing like a lash-up of silver and orange Geeps and Fs running through the magnificent desert, river canyon, and rolling hillside, golden grass scenery that lay west of SLC. There was six-axle power before the yellow takeover if you must spoil the image, but all foreign road - UP SD40s in pool service from the east and BN, GN & NP SD45s and SP&S C636s from the north.

Well, an almost perfect roster.  You'd need to bash some high nose GP20s, but more frustrating would be building decent SW1500s.

Daniel made an N scale SW1500 kitbash look relatively easy in his article. Luckily, they're too late for me. For the Geep 20s, wouldn't switching out a high hood from a GP18 be the solution, or was there a difference between the two short hoods? That was my plan at least. I wanted a couple GP20s in GN paint too, long hood forward, of course. I keep hoping for those U30Bs and S units though...

You can swap the hoods on the LL units.  I've got one unit sort of near completion right now and another that had to be parted out after a serious mistake during conversion.  The one I am finishing still needs the last grabs to be applied, the MU hoses to be installed and for me to figure out how to light the Pyle lights properly.  Once all that's done, it's off for painting.

[Packer]

No 6-axle diesels on the WP.

That's not a good thing.

It's one of the beauties of the Western Pacific, actually. N scale WP modelers are only two locos away from a perfect roster (still need U30Bs and Alco S units, but they're likely to come sooner rather than later). Rolling stock's a challenge, but that gives practice in the modeling aspect of MRRing. And there's nothing like a lash-up of silver and orange Geeps and Fs running through the magnificent desert, river canyon, and rolling hillside, golden grass scenery that lay west of SLC. There was six-axle power before the yellow takeover if you must spoil the image, but all foreign road - UP SD40s in pool service from the east and BN, GN & NP SD45s and SP&S C636s from the north.

Well, an almost perfect roster.  You'd need to bash some high nose GP20s, but more frustrating would be building decent SW1500s.

Daniel made an N scale SW1500 kitbash look relatively easy in his article. Luckily, they're too late for me. For the Geep 20s, wouldn't switching out a high hood from a GP18 be the solution, or was there a difference between the two short hoods? That was my plan at least. I wanted a couple GP20s in GN paint too, long hood forward, of course. I keep hoping for those U30Bs and S units though...

Don't forget the extra step

[asciibaron]

back to the WM's New Line.  some progress has been made - putting down the first pieces of cork this weekend.  on the 1st i'm swinging by Klein's for a box of cork and some other junk - i'm planning on using my furlough day on the 3rd to get the mainline cork in place.

[Mr. G]

No 6-axle diesels on the WP.

That's not a good thing.

It's one of the beauties of the Western Pacific, actually. N scale WP modelers are only two locos away from a perfect roster (still need U30Bs and Alco S units, but they're likely to come sooner rather than later). Rolling stock's a challenge, but that gives practice in the modeling aspect of MRRing. And there's nothing like a lash-up of silver and orange Geeps and Fs running through the magnificent desert, river canyon, and rolling hillside, golden grass scenery that lay west of SLC. There was six-axle power before the yellow takeover if you must spoil the image, but all foreign road - UP SD40s in pool service from the east and BN, GN & NP SD45s and SP&S C636s from the north.

Well, an almost perfect roster.  You'd need to bash some high nose GP20s, but more frustrating would be building decent SW1500s.

Daniel made an N scale SW1500 kitbash look relatively easy in his article. Luckily, they're too late for me. For the Geep 20s, wouldn't switching out a high hood from a GP18 be the solution, or was there a difference between the two short hoods? That was my plan at least. I wanted a couple GP20s in GN paint too, long hood forward, of course. I keep hoping for those U30Bs and S units though...

Don't forget the extra step

The extra steps of getting the trucks right and building the number boards, or the extra step in Daniel's article, i.e. have someone machine the frame for you?

[Packer]

No 6-axle diesels on the WP.

That's not a good thing.

It's one of the beauties of the Western Pacific, actually. N scale WP modelers are only two locos away from a perfect roster (still need U30Bs and Alco S units, but they're likely to come sooner rather than later). Rolling stock's a challenge, but that gives practice in the modeling aspect of MRRing. And there's nothing like a lash-up of silver and orange Geeps and Fs running through the magnificent desert, river canyon, and rolling hillside, golden grass scenery that lay west of SLC. There was six-axle power before the yellow takeover if you must spoil the image, but all foreign road - UP SD40s in pool service from the east and BN, GN & NP SD45s and SP&S C636s from the north.

Well, an almost perfect roster.  You'd need to bash some high nose GP20s, but more frustrating would be building decent SW1500s.

Daniel made an N scale SW1500 kitbash look relatively easy in his article. Luckily, they're too late for me. For the Geep 20s, wouldn't switching out a high hood from a GP18 be the solution, or was there a difference between the two short hoods? That was my plan at least. I wanted a couple GP20s in GN paint too, long hood forward, of course. I keep hoping for those U30Bs and S units though...

Don't forget the extra step

The extra steps of getting the trucks right and building the number boards, or the extra step in Daniel's article, i.e. have someone machine the frame for you?

extra step in the step wells:
ex-GN HH with 4 steps http://www.trainpix.com/bn/EMDORIG/GP20/2024.HTM
ex-Q LH with 3 stepshttp://www.trainpix.com/bn/EMDORIG/GP20/2041.HTM